Marc-Andre Bordeleau, Senior Director, Juniper Networks

Delivering on the O-RAN Promise with RIC and SMO

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In this keynote, Marc-Andre Bordeleau, Senior Director Product Management from Juniper. Networks highlights the progress made on RAN Intelligent Controller (RIC) and the learnings from the RIC field trials. He also elaborates on solving the complexity of orchestration, automation, and service assurance with SMO. 

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  • Progress on RAN Intelligent Controller (RIC) and learnings from RIC field trials

  • Solving complexity of orchestration, automation, and service assurance with SMO

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Marc-Andre Bordeleau
Senior Director, Juniper Networks

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0:00 foreign

0:08 great to be here this morning especially

0:11 to follow the presentation of Richard

0:12 about the direct because our topics are

0:15 very aligned very related so okay I'm

0:18 director of product management at

0:19 Juniper Networks and I work in the CTO

0:22 office and I'm in charge of the uh the

0:25 the portfolio of uh for all run so

0:28 covering the rig the Smo and also the X

0:30 apps and our apps and as you'll see also

0:31 we have a very strong focus on network

0:33 slicing for delivering slas in this

0:36 context

0:37 so for this session we'll look at how

0:40 the Rick and the Smo are contributing to

0:42 the delivery of the oran promise a

0:45 promise that is about openness it's

0:47 about interoperability multi-vendor

0:49 environment but also about bringing in

0:51 Innovation into the run with the use of

0:54 applications which can be AIML based so

0:57 for this session what I'll do is I'll go

0:59 over the experience that we acquired

1:01 over the years actually I'll focus on a

1:03 few trials and pocs that we have

1:05 delivered and as you'll see we as

1:09 Juniper we have the Rick and the Smo but

1:11 we're not in the business of developing

1:13 r-u-d-u-n-cu so that means that our rig

1:16 is built from the ground up for being a

1:18 multi-vendor rick so we have to of

1:21 course interpret and work with multiple

1:23 vendors of applications of course we

1:26 develop our own as well but trying

1:28 different application of X apps and our

1:30 apps and also we have to work with

1:32 different vendors of network functions

1:35 so really using the rig as a multiple

1:37 multi-vendor platform to deliver the uh

1:39 the oran vision

1:41 so with this let's just start with a uh

1:45 just a quick overview of what we believe

1:48 are the key success factors for Oran to

1:51 be successful so of course at the

1:53 beginning and that's at the very core of

1:55 everything in Oran that's the O in o-run

1:57 or open run right openness so openness

2:00 it all starts with the specifications

2:02 right having the industry to contribute

2:04 and Define these standard the standard

2:07 architecture standard apis tip also to

2:10 provide let's say commercialization

2:12 proof point for validation and the

2:14 badges and of course the platform the

2:17 interfaces have to be standard and

2:19 compliant to those

2:21 but having the specs in itself alone is

2:24 not enough right we need the whole

2:25 ecosystem to adhere to these specs to

2:27 implement these standards and to really

2:30 work as an industry to interpret and

2:32 have multi-vendor integration

2:35 so openness you'll see that throughout

2:37 the presentation is really a strong

2:39 foundation for everything we do and

2:41 everything that needs to be done in our

2:42 run

2:43 so next of course we strongly believe in

2:46 the value of Automation and control in

2:49 Oran right this is being brought into

2:51 the architecture of Oran with the Rick

2:53 the random surgeon controller and the

2:55 Smo the service management and

2:57 orchestration platform so we'll talk at

2:59 lent about these two key component

3:00 components of Oran during this talk and

3:03 last but not least the real value of

3:05 Oran comes when we have these two

3:07 pillars right then we can start talking

3:09 about bringing Innovation there's really

3:12 Innovative use case no run and these use

3:15 case indeed can be categorized under

3:16 different buckets right there are capex

3:18 and OPEC savings use cases like the Suns

3:21 Energy savings QE Qs optimization use

3:24 case and of course there are a bunch of

3:26 use cases that bring a new business

3:29 model and New monetization Opportunities

3:31 and of course Network slicing is at the

3:34 very core of that in the 5G setting

3:36 so these are some key Foundation that

3:39 we'll be talking during this this

3:40 presentation

3:41 so and before talking about the uh the

3:44 actual trial and the experience we'll

3:46 learn I'll just like to take a few

3:47 minutes to review the oran architecture

3:49 it's a very simplified architecture here

3:51 and I like the key components that we'll

3:53 be talking about

3:54 so of course at the bottom of this

3:56 there's the of course the the ram

3:58 Network functions the ru the DU and the

4:00 CU and these functions can be either

4:03 physical Network functions PNF

4:05 or Cloud native or virtualize as CNF or

4:08 vnf in that case they run in the ocloud

4:11 infrastructure defined by Oran that's

4:13 really a distributed Cloud environment

4:15 that can become well coming from

4:17 multiple providers and contains tens of

4:19 thousands of cell sites Edge Cloud

4:21 Regional cloud and so on so it's highly

4:24 distributed desegregated infrastructure

4:26 and also of course the network functions

4:28 as well

4:29 then on top of that and that's going to

4:32 be mostly the topic of the discussion

4:33 comes the wreck in the center the rank

4:36 the rig as you know has two flavors

4:38 right so there's the non-real time Rick

4:40 and the near real time rig they both run

4:42 applications our apps on the

4:44 non-real-time rig and accepts on the

4:46 neural time rate they have different

4:48 role and responsibilities into the

4:49 orange architecture also their control

4:51 Loop is different right the near real

4:53 time rig is normally deployed closer to

4:56 the DUS and CU for having a faster

4:58 control Loop uh the near real-time rig

5:01 provides control to the network

5:03 functions whereas the not the

5:04 non-real-time rig has a much broader

5:07 scope of visibility to accumulate data

5:09 from the entire network and then instead

5:12 of providing near real-time control it

5:15 provides a policy guidance to the

5:17 various near real-time rigs that are

5:19 deployed in the entire networks and

5:20 again the applications they can come in

5:23 pair of our apps and X app depending on

5:25 their level of operation and how they

5:27 are deployed on the rigs so we'll talk

5:29 Atlanta about the rig and we'll talk

5:31 also about the Smo which is represented

5:34 with the the big rectangle over here so

5:36 the Smo is composed of multiple

5:38 functional block so this is a Nomine a

5:41 software architecture but this is just

5:42 representing the functional block so at

5:46 the very left of this diagram here is

5:48 the what Oran called the focon that

5:51 stands for Federated o cloud

5:53 orchestration and management that's

5:56 basically the ability to manage the life

5:58 cycle of the infrastructure so the

6:00 ocloud so bring let's say bootstrapping

6:03 from zero touch provisioning new o cloud

6:05 or new cell sites right managing life

6:08 cycle of these clouds scaling it and

6:10 scaling out managing defaults so the

6:13 whole life cycle of the O Cloud

6:14 infrastructure is provided by the focus

6:16 component

6:18 so that's one the nfo next that stands

6:21 for Network function orchestrator that

6:23 can be similar to the hcnf video right

6:26 whereas in the oran the nfo is not

6:29 necessarily restrained to an Etsy

6:30 environment so it can run also Cloud

6:32 native let's say infrastructure with

6:35 kubernetes so the nfo is responsible for

6:38 deploying the workload so the

6:39 containerize virtualized workload you

6:42 see the the the vdu or the uh the the

6:44 cus can be deployed through the nfo as a

6:47 network function orchestrator for Oran

6:50 then we talked about the rig and then

6:52 last but not least the run and ssmf is

6:55 defined by 3gpp but it is also embedded

6:58 into the oran architecture that is the

7:00 Run slice subnet management function

7:02 that's really the ability to manage the

7:04 f-caps the provision and the

7:06 provisioning of the slice of the Rand

7:09 slices if you like so basically creating

7:11 sizes managing their fault their

7:13 performance their configuration and then

7:15 once they are up and running the rig and

7:18 the X apps are app can take uh can take

7:21 control over these slides to ensure that

7:22 the SLE of the slicers are restricted at

7:24 all times so these are the main

7:26 components that we'll be talking and

7:27 we'll look at some trials and pocs that

7:30 we have delivered using these components

7:34 so starting with the rig so there are

7:37 I'd like to talk about four different uh

7:40 use cases that have been trialed

7:42 recently there are more than this but

7:44 highlighting these four so first

7:45 category and I'll dive into this is

7:47 about admission control

7:49 next one is about traffic steering third

7:52 is energy saving and last but not least

7:55 the Run slice slas runs

7:57 so starting with admission control so

8:01 this is a use case that runs as an

8:05 except and an R app that will trial and

8:07 demonstrated at various various

8:09 occasions and are in particular I'd like

8:12 to highlight two different uh trials

8:14 that we've run with this and in this

8:16 case the uh the partners also are public

8:18 so I can name the partners that were

8:19 engaged with us

8:20 so the first one the first mention I

8:22 would like to make is we've run a trial

8:25 at Vodafone

8:27 on their commercial Network in Turkey so

8:29 it was a real field trial with the rig

8:31 and the admission control application

8:33 in this case the Run vendor was parallel

8:36 Wireless and the accept our app was

8:38 developed by Juniper so so that that was

8:42 completed uh this year well sorry n of

8:44 22 and the other uh mention that I'd

8:47 like to make here the operator is not

8:49 public so it's a tier one operator but

8:52 the the demonstration was made on a it's

8:55 a it was a lab trial in that case was

8:58 made on a 5G network with network

9:00 slicing enabled so in that case we

9:02 called it slice aware admission control

9:04 because dsla the admission controlled

9:07 requirement they came from the slice

9:09 slice definition so really we

9:12 orchestrated the slice with the random

9:13 ssmf that you saw earlier we provided

9:16 the the SLE of the slides through the

9:18 gsma GST parameter and then this was

9:21 propagated to the rig and the rip in

9:23 real time ensured the uh the the respect

9:26 well the admission control and enforced

9:29 and Mission Control policies in this

9:31 case the Run vendor was Kaza systems

9:33 so how it works now so admission control

9:36 is really about when a network is under

9:40 provision meaning that there's not

9:42 enough resource to serve all the

9:44 admission requests by the US by the end

9:46 users right so in this case the network

9:49 has to make decision as to who is

9:50 admitted on the network as who is

9:52 rejected ggbp defines some mechanism

9:55 with the 5G core or the EPC to do

9:57 admission control but with the run and

9:59 the rig it brings additional

10:00 capabilities where you have visible

10:02 theme to The Specific cells and then you

10:04 can start doing some intelligent

10:06 balancing of the admission requests

10:08 across the cell so if a cell is let's

10:11 say a slice as an example as an SLA of

10:14 thousand uh admitted ues on the slice

10:19 right so if all the cells are used at

10:23 the same level so there's no problem you

10:24 can do a fair sharing of the admission

10:26 but what if let's say during a rush hour

10:29 right so in the downtown there's a lot

10:31 of visualization but at the neighborhood

10:32 there's no utilization request so with

10:35 the rig the admission control accepts

10:37 and our apps you can realize the

10:38 utilization on a per cell basis and then

10:41 change the admission policies on the per

10:44 cell to admit more users or less user

10:46 depending on the sale and you can do

10:47 that also across slices depending on the

10:50 slas the priority of the slices

10:53 so that's one use case that we have

10:55 trialled again in this case in two

10:57 settings but we've demonstrated that

10:59 many more times but that these were two

11:01 important one to uh to discuss so it

11:03 enables Priority Access to the network

11:04 for any user at any time based on

11:07 policies and configuration

11:11 next one is traffic steering so traffic

11:14 steering is a use case that was

11:16 co-developed with a partner parallel

11:18 Wireless they have actually developed

11:20 the X app they were providing the

11:22 network functions and Juniper we have

11:24 developed the r app to drive the

11:26 policies for that exam so this again was

11:28 demonstrated not demonstrated but trial

11:31 at Vodafone on their live Network in

11:34 Turkey

11:35 in the same trial as the admission

11:37 control that we saw so traffic steering

11:40 here is about

11:41 optimizing the network utilization of

11:43 the network resource so the rip is

11:45 looking at all time at the or the X apps

11:48 our apps are looking at visualization of

11:49 the cells across the network and if a

11:52 cell become congested at some point then

11:55 the application can make decision as to

11:58 well first of all look at the ues the

11:59 users which one are suffering from this

12:01 congestion are having low throughput

12:04 effectively and then decide on whether

12:06 it's possible to steer these user attach

12:09 them to other sales or end them over to

12:12 other base stations so that's the the uh

12:15 the the use case of traffic steering so

12:17 where you see in this case this uh this

12:19 user is attached to that cell but then

12:21 it's congested so the rig and

12:23 application will will make the decision

12:24 to offload to this cell here to remove

12:27 control so it has two benefits it

12:29 reduces congestion of the cell and it

12:31 also improves the user experience

12:33 because it gets additional throughput

12:35 and that's what we've seen in this trial

12:37 on the commercial networks on average

12:39 for cells that were congested when doing

12:42 traffic steering like this it was

12:44 possible to get to 15 30 average

12:47 throughput increase across the cell and

12:49 for those users that were severely

12:52 impacted by congestion that were steered

12:55 to other cells then we reach up to 40 of

12:57 throughput improvement

13:01 so next is a very important topic about

13:04 Energy savings right so that's another

13:06 use case that runs on the rip that we

13:09 have demonstrated in different

13:11 opportunities so one of those was in a

13:14 Oran plug Fest so in this case it was

13:18 running the application the Energy

13:19 savings applications from juniper and we

13:21 were partnering with keysights for the

13:25 simulation of the the platform they are

13:27 used the use and see so that one that

13:29 was that was realized in a plug Fest at

13:32 Oran

13:33 another opportunity where we

13:35 demonstrated this is at mwc We announced

13:39 a collaboration with era Technologies a

13:41 startup in AI that develops AI ml based

13:44 application and in this case era is

13:47 developed in our app it was only the RF

13:49 in this case not the X app but the r app

13:51 was controlling through the o1 mechanism

13:54 the uh the the Energy savings

13:57 of the run network in this case it was

13:59 simulated uh with the the network

14:02 function simulators of Viv

14:05 so again we integrated with another

14:07 vendor of network function or simulator

14:09 in that case

14:10 and in this simulation we observed up to

14:13 20 of Energy savings with this use case

14:18 and

14:20 and then last one I want to mention here

14:22 is about run slice SLA surround so as we

14:25 discussed at land in this session right

14:27 ensuring the SLA is a great way it's a

14:29 great new opportunity in 5G to deliver

14:31 services that are tailored for the use

14:34 the needs of the users and how to ensure

14:36 the SLA is respected at all time and so

14:39 on so through the Run slicing management

14:41 function we can provision the slices the

14:44 slices can be created so the day Zero

14:46 the day one uh provisioning and

14:49 operation of the slice the f-caps but

14:51 now when it comes time to optimize the

14:55 slice to make sure they respect their

14:56 SLA at all times so what if the

14:58 throughput requirements are not met the

15:00 SLA record the latency requirements are

15:02 not met then the Run slice SLA s runs

15:05 can come into play to make decision in

15:07 their prioritization or changing

15:09 configuration or control over the A1 E2

15:12 channel of the rig so this is another uh

15:16 use case that we have demonstrated in

15:19 plug Fest again with keysight the

15:21 application in this case is coming from

15:23 juniper and Juniper is investing a lot

15:25 in slicing either slicing management and

15:27 slicing SLA Assurance we have a lot of

15:30 patents in this area and also a lot of

15:31 contribution we're driving for example

15:33 at Oran in the working group one the

15:35 slicing activities and we're deeply

15:37 engaging to many working groups related

15:39 to slicing from one two three six and

15:42 nine as well

15:47 so okay I String the SLA of the slice so

15:50 these are four use cases that I wanted

15:51 to highlight here of course the goal and

15:54 the uh the ambition is to create just

15:56 like a an app store for mobile phones

15:59 right you want to welcome as many vendor

16:01 of applications to develop on our rig

16:05 and have the broadest possible portfolio

16:07 and for this we are and we're offering

16:09 to the vendors and SDK to develop

16:11 application and open apis so Oran is

16:14 defining the apis the Rick API on the

16:16 near real time rig and the uh

16:19 R1 API on the non-real-time rig for

16:22 applications develop on Direct

16:24 so we're definitely contributing to

16:26 these the specification the

16:28 specification at all run are not

16:30 completed yet so they're in stage one so

16:31 the uh well it's the the general

16:33 principles have been defined but the

16:35 stage 3 specifications are not completed

16:38 so the way we approach that is of course

16:40 we're contributing at Oran we're deeply

16:42 engaging to the specifications but we're

16:44 not waiting for Oran in the sense that

16:46 we have implemented pre-spec R1 and rig

16:48 apis and of course contributing into the

16:52 spec and then we will be complying with

16:54 the spec as the Evolve if they deviate

16:56 from what we believe they will be

16:58 achieving

16:59 so the uh the key learnings from this

17:03 right so first of all all these trials

17:06 and these pocs they are confirming that

17:09 the Rick is an open and interpretable

17:11 platform so this is we this is something

17:14 that we do that we work on on the daily

17:15 basis it's extremely important to comply

17:17 and to follow the specifications

17:19 participate in plug Fest in order to to

17:22 make sure there is compliance and

17:23 Enterprise

17:25 we have seen over times who have been

17:27 developing the rig for actually uh many

17:30 years even before I mean we even before

17:33 Oran was forming the x-run days there

17:36 was a some controller that was developed

17:37 and then this has evolved over time uh

17:40 so we've seen that there is with sdks

17:42 apis the development times for

17:44 third-party developers has really

17:46 accelerated so they're still uh

17:48 Improvement to be made there to even

17:50 further improve the API CSD case but

17:53 we've seen that in some cases for simple

17:55 application the the whole porting of the

17:57 application can take just a few days of

18:00 course more complex application will

18:01 take longer but still it has really

18:04 accelerated that's one of the the thing

18:06 we've seen over the year uh with the rig

18:08 another thing also is the integration

18:10 with the CU and the EU vendors of course

18:13 if these vendors are o-round compliant

18:16 supporting the E2 interface then it's a

18:18 matter of running the inter probability

18:20 testing and it works quite well now if

18:22 the vendor are not or uncompliant so

18:25 we've also run a trial at a tier one

18:28 operator where we add to integrate with

18:30 a uh a non-2gbp Oran compliant vendor

18:34 and for this of course for the near real

18:36 time rig if there's no E2 there's no E2

18:38 but for the non-real-time rate to the

18:40 f-caps configuration channel the 01 or

18:43 3gb mechanism then it's possible to

18:45 configure and let's say get performance

18:49 metrics and operate on that

18:51 so a lot of learnings there as well

18:54 on the real-time management of the ratio

18:56 resources that's a very important topic

18:59 of course there's a lot of improvement

19:00 to be made there of course the Run

19:02 vendor supporting the E2 service model

19:05 is key to enable all the benefits of

19:08 Oran but what we've seen is that it is

19:10 possible uh when the vendors they open

19:13 up the 2sms to do that we've done that

19:15 with the admission control and with the

19:17 traffic traffic steering uh well also

19:20 csun's applications and so on

19:23 and last but not least we definitely see

19:26 that the ecosystem is maturing it's not

19:29 I mean we're not fully there yet but

19:31 really the whole run we see a lot of

19:33 contribution at Oran we see many

19:36 companies contributing the specs are

19:37 maturing are evolving the whole uh the

19:40 the whole operator the the operator

19:42 industry from what we see from our

19:44 vendor point of view is really a huge

19:47 interest from operator so a lot of

19:49 requests excellent questions from the

19:51 operator willingness and trialing and

19:53 trying the rig so really the it's not

19:55 like uh us lenders that are trying to

19:58 convince operator that this is important

19:59 that's the other way around right so the

20:01 oran is is at the foundation from

20:03 operator so the rip I mean your

20:05 presentation was very clear right that

20:06 the Rick is a key Cornerstone of that

20:09 and then Innovative partnership are

20:11 being formed and of course there's more

20:13 and more applications that are being

20:14 available

20:17 okay so now let's talk quickly uh about

20:20 the uh the the Smo so uh the Smo again

20:24 is the whole management of the run

20:26 network

20:27 uh there are I mean the the whole Telco

20:31 infrastructure is evolving we all know

20:33 that right there are different

20:35 challenges and uh it's complex to manage

20:38 this environment but let's say these

20:39 let's review these uh these key Concepts

20:42 like the foundations for the SML so of

20:44 course the Telco infrastructure is

20:46 evolving right with cloudification with

20:48 the disaggregation software Define

20:49 everything right so this is a whole new

20:53 concept if we compare two years ago so

20:55 these new technologies have been have to

20:58 be taken into account when we do service

21:00 orchestration and management of the

21:02 Telco Network

21:03 of course networks are extremely massive

21:07 complex and this is not getting any

21:09 easier with the identification in 5G so

21:13 Smo have to operate at massive scale so

21:15 there's no way this can be done let's

21:17 say manually it has to become

21:19 intelligent

21:20 and then last but not least again is the

21:23 need for on-demand service services on

21:26 these teleco networks so how do we

21:28 monetize this in this investment how do

21:31 we uh also offer differentiated service

21:34 to the customers to fit their needs

21:37 right whether this is private mobile

21:38 networks that can be created with slices

21:41 on top of the public network or can be

21:44 for deploying an mvno on top of the

21:47 network or any industrial or vertical

21:50 use cases as we can see on this slide

21:52 here so each of them have their

21:53 different requirements their different

21:55 slas so being able to orchestrate and

21:58 manage these services on top of a

22:02 extremely massive and complex

22:03 environment and with the new

22:06 technologies that we see as all the

22:07 challenges that the SML have to address

22:12 so

22:13 again just to oh there's a display

22:15 problem here but the uh just to

22:17 summarize the Smo is containing these uh

22:21 these functions here so the focom the

22:23 nfo the non-real-time rig and the Rand

22:25 and ssmf and it collaborates of course

22:27 with the near real-time rig for the

22:28 control of the network functions and one

22:31 trial that I'd like to mention here is

22:34 we were asked by a uh well a tier one

22:37 operator to demonstrate and prove how

22:40 that it is possible to realize 5G

22:42 Network slicing in a multi-vendor

22:45 environment so really that was the key

22:47 requirement of that trial was to go into

22:50 multi-vendor so there were Juniper of

22:53 course was providing the ran Smo and the

22:55 rig in that case the network functions

22:58 were provided by another vendor core

23:01 domain management well also another

23:02 vendor and the at the top level the

23:04 service orchestration was provided by

23:07 another vendor so it was truly

23:09 multi-vendor in that case

23:11 so in this trial of course we we learned

23:14 a lot right it's possible with the 3gbp

23:17 specs the all run specs to realize

23:19 slicing what we've done here is to do

23:21 the day Zero and the day one operation

23:24 of the slice of the provisioning and

23:25 being able to create two slices with

23:27 sharing of component and SL enforcement

23:30 with the admission control and the SLA

23:33 exceptionara

23:35 so integration at the beginning of

23:38 course we not everybody was adhering to

23:41 the 3db specifications and or run

23:43 specification but in the end we we

23:45 address the concern and we were able to

23:48 succeed in this POC so that's uh

23:52 that's it so the basically conclusion

23:54 really the takeaway of that presentation

23:55 is that we need to continue shaping and

23:58 contributing to Oran to GBP and the

24:00 various standard organization this is

24:02 really important embracing the open and

24:04 Center their architecture apis and

24:06 making the Radio Data available for the

24:07 industry to evolve and have the

24:09 application developer to be able to come

24:11 up with very Innovative applications

24:13 fantastic thank you very much put your

24:15 hands together

24:17 [Applause]

24:18 thank you that's brilliant

24:20 um yeah just one quick question maybe

24:22 before we get to break well

24:24 okay thank you okay very quick questions

24:29 um first off first and in the near time

24:32 and the now real time rig what language

24:35 do you use to develop the algorithms

24:38 inside the different to develop these

24:40 sorry the application what language do

24:43 you use like Pi sound or r or whatever

24:45 the language is normally uh Juniper use

24:48 that that we okay so our wreck is I mean

24:51 first of all it's built on the ground up

24:52 from the ground up with Cloud native

24:54 principles so it runs kubernetes

24:56 applications so it's a mix of go

25:00 language implementation and C plus plus

25:02 so that's the rig and the application

25:03 then they can be completely independent

25:05 we have open apis and SDK so application

25:07 can be completely different but these

25:09 are languages can you steer leverage all

25:11 the API interface of course let's say it

25:14 doesn't matter if I use Pi sound or r or

25:17 Matlab for or the algorithm application

25:20 part right yes no application yeah the

25:23 open API is well defined also we have

25:26 SDK SDK we have some Hello World

25:29 application to show you how to use it

25:31 operated and yeah that makes sense can

25:34 you please go to the SL mode slide and

25:37 yeah over here so

25:40 um you address the NSS MF yeah ran and

25:43 also for the uh 5gc and ssmf actually

25:46 and in that in there no spawn there are

25:49 two different network entities like nsmf

25:53 and the csmf are you going to place it

25:57 as a part of Smo in the future or you

26:00 you take it out of the scope of the SML

26:04 over here and in our experience we we

26:07 developed these two Network entities for

26:09 China mobile and China Unicom but these

26:13 two Network entities and are now part of

26:16 the 5G OSS system I'm just asking if you

26:19 have some road map where are you going

26:22 to place these two Network entities in

26:25 the future for oksmo so we can I mean I

26:28 can give a

26:30 eye level uh response to this and we can

26:33 definitely talk about rulemap in details

26:35 separately but really so the definitely

26:38 here what I'm showing is Oran Smo so

26:41 it's in this trial we were asked to

26:43 provide this part the Run Part but

26:46 you're absolutely right right 3gbp

26:48 defines csmf for the Communication

26:50 Service management function the nsmf or

26:52 network slice management function for

26:54 end-to-end slicing management and then

26:56 in each of the domains right around the

26:58 core transport is ITF but the random

27:00 core there's the an ssmf for size subnet

27:03 so indeed the vision is to realize

27:06 end-to-end slicing that's really

27:07 important so for this trial we provided

27:09 the ran Smo but in our view right

27:12 there's a notion of multi-domain Smo

27:15 that contains indeed csmf and SMF

27:19 that has the core and ssmf and the TN

27:23 call it nssm if you want it's it's ietf

27:26 it's a bit different but the interfaces

27:28 are being defined

27:30 and what is important though is that

27:32 these components they all use standard

27:35 API so we see really 3gbp TM Forum right

27:38 there's various iitf apis that are being

27:40 defined so adhering to these apis is

27:42 really important and that's what we

27:44 demonstrated in this POC so that you can

27:46 mix and match the components but yeah

27:48 that's that's a great question

27:51 fantastic thank you very much I think

27:53 that's all we've got time for it's now

27:54 the uh the coffee and networking break

27:57 after we'll be joined by uh Simona from

28:00 Bell to talk dive more into automation

28:04 as well but thank you for thank you

28:06 [Applause]

28:09 thank you

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